Hacker Exposes Global Warming Conspiracy?

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Permalink Reply by RETS on November 20, 2009 at 6:07pm

So... (This is going to sound messed up, I know.)


I just had a talk with an old friend from New Hampshire. Without saying too much that might identify him, this guy knows nearly everything about everything... Think of X from X-Files.

HE says someone is certainly getting canned for the breach, which he knew about on November 18.



Anyhow, so with my spook moment out of the way...

I absolutely believe this is a for real thing. When I look at what is being discussed, most of the data they reference is available, just not advertised.

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Permalink Reply by Lindis on November 20, 2009 at 8:22pm

Eh, we already knew Global Warming was over... that's why they've changed it to "climate change" now.

However, this is great, corruption brought to light, maybe someone will shut down the org. :P

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Permalink Reply by Cassondra on November 20, 2009 at 8:41pm

Well, global warming ending the world was never compatible with Revelation anyway, so I never really believed it was such a big deal.

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Permalink Reply by Yediyd on November 20, 2009 at 11:29pm

That's what they did in the book "State of Fear". That way any day-to-day weather change could be blamed on overall "climate change" that we supposedly caused.

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Permalink Reply by Paradox on November 21, 2009 at 8:19am

Regardless of what you think about climate change theory, I do not believe this will go very far. It's hard to verify one's sources when the source in question is an anonymous hacker who probably committed a crime to get whatever it was he got. To run the story itself would be a violation of journalistic ethics. Is it worth it to lower the standard of what constitutes news to support one of your pet topics?

Of course I could see a commentator talking about it so that then the news guys could comment that the commentator talked about it, but then you're in murky territory.

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Permalink Reply by Zoe on November 21, 2009 at 10:35am

I'm not entirely sure what to make of this, honestly. I wouldn't put it past anybody to concoct something like this, but I'm a little skeptical. Some of the "suspicious" phrases seem to be that the scientists are commenting on temperature decline. However, as everyone who has so much as watched Day after Tomorrow knows, a temperature decline is the expected result of climate change (probably why it was renamed). The idea is that as the polar ice caps melt, all that cold water travels in the currents toward the equator, making everything colder. Essentially, climate change describes the possibility of the earth's surface temperature evening out somewhat between the poles and the equator.

So when I read things like "to hide the decline" and the one guy talking about having record cold weather, I'm inclined not to think they're actually talking about those things as an obstacle to the theory, since they're actually consistent with the theory. That makes me wonder if some of this information is being taken out of context or misinterpreted, and it's so believable just because it's what we want to hear.

Now before anybody calls me a wacko liberal who can't see the plain truth, slow down and don't be so quick to jump to conclusions. I don't particularly believe in global warming or climate change or whatever as a product of man's influence (the simple truth is that the earth's surface temperature does fluctuate up and down; the temperature may be going up but I don't know if that's the result of our energy usage or not). I just would rather wait and get more information before making up my mind.

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Permalink Reply by RETS on November 21, 2009 at 10:46am

In a word, 'Dox? Yes. More to the point is the fact that journalism has sunk to that point all on it's own long before this. It would be about time that such decay would actually be used for something good as opposed to wardrobe malfunctions and politician parroting.


While this is not my "pet" topic, it is a far more important topic than you give credit. Especially with the Climate Control Act poised to be signed, which is completely based on the assumption that Global Warming is real, man made, and requiring massive intervention to "fix."

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Permalink Reply by RETS on November 21, 2009 at 5:23pm

Another article on it:

Hacked e-mails reveal global-warming fraud?

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Permalink Reply by Zoe on November 21, 2009 at 5:42pm

That was a very informative article, RETS. Thanks for posting it. I had no idea that the scientific community as a whole was moving away from this theory already, and that, to me, explains much more of this business than supposing that the idea was fabricated as a conspiracy from the beginning. I think it's more probable that a theory which had seemed so plausible and imminent several years ago started declining in popularity as more data has been gathered, and the most staunch proponents of the theory needed to keep public interest and funding in order to continue their research, and maybe they decided they didn't care what steps were necessary to ensure that happened.

I was under the impression that scientists were anticipating another ice age as a result of global warming. My belief has always been that 100 years is a mere blip on the timeline of earth's history, and unless there is a literal spike in the temperature that directly correlates with the usage of greenhouse gases, an increase in temperature over the last 100 years is most likely part of the earth's natural temperature flux and not the result of anything manmade.

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Permalink Reply by RETS on November 21, 2009 at 9:18pm

Actually, I was talking to an older man about this earlier today.

He said that he remembers a time, back in the sixties, when it was widely believed, and feared, that we were headed for an Ice Age. Scientists at that time were dead certain of it.

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Permalink Reply by Saxsoon on November 21, 2009 at 9:35pm

I used to post frequently about religion and politics on a Disney board with a bunch of older people. Go figure. Many of the older ones on there referenced the Global Cooling scare as reason not to believe Global Warming.

RETS said:

Actually, I was talking to an older man about this earlier today.

He said that he remembers a time, back in the sixties, when it was widely believed, and feared, that we were headed for an Ice Age. Scientists at that time were dead certain of it.

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Permalink Reply by Zoe on November 22, 2009 at 12:49am

RETS said:

He said that he remembers a time, back in the sixties, when it was widely believed, and feared, that we were headed for an Ice Age. Scientists at that time were dead certain of it.

That's what my dad says also. As I have tried to explain a few times, global warming -would- lead to another Ice Age if it were true.

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